Now what? I'm stuck...

angel · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 16

I know there is a TON for me to be learning, but I seem to just have gotten stuck.

I learned so far:
Butterfly
Angel Wings including take outs
3 bt. weave
Corkscrew
Buzzsaw
Windmill
Most reels (hip better than shoulder) split time too
I'm shaky on thread the needle

Now I know I can jump to 5bt weave, or perhaps teach myself backward 3bt weave (i have yet to master any of these in reverse)

But what I really want to know is how to connect all of these in some fashion.

Thanks Smile

Timmayx · Joined: 17 Sep 2006 Posts: 264

Well once you've learnt bk3bw, you can switch between fw and bk variations Smile

Also, you can go from fw3bw to windmill, then back to fw, or go to bk3bw.

Other than that i don't know much else lol

Vipes · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 10:33 am Post subject:

Learn everything you can backwards and fowards. It doesnt seem like you are learning new stuff, but its really important. Once you have 3bt weaves backwards and forwrds you can learn 180s and 360s.

When you start being able to turn, thats when you can start putting your moves together.

Learning stalls is a good idea, you simply wrap the end of one of your poi round your forearm/leg/where ever possbile and let it come off the opposite direction.

This would take you from a 3bt weave to a butterfly motion or vice versa.

ajclarke · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 11:47 am Post subject:

I agree you need to learn backwards3bw. I learn that yesterday and the amount of fluidity it allows for your routines is brilliant.

So master EVERYTHING backwards too. Its damn hard and you will find your arms virtually ALWAYS try and revert to forwards again straight away, but when you get it you will be much better spinner

Timmayx · Joined: 17 Sep 2006 Posts: 264

Just to add, learning things backward, even though it seems like going over stuff, can be quite tricky to get basic as well, so you still have fun learning Smile

Althought learning an old move backwards is quicker than learning a completely new move forwards, so you can still feel as if you've accomplished something for the day Smile

Psychotic Neurotic · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject:

And when you've done all the stuff they said (and onnnnnnnly when...)

Learn these next, if you havent already:

One forwards - one backwards reel turns.
Fountains (3bw forwards, to backwards (facing almost the same direction just twisting your torso)to windmill, to forwards again) - Thats a good combo for you too.

Stalls.

ajclarke · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:

Can you go through the principal of a 3bw forwards to backwards fountain for me J. cos I can now spin 3 beta both ways to a good standard, back needs some more practice, but fountains look awesome.

ONe of the J tutorials would be nice :D

angel · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 16

*GULP*

Wow I certainly bit off more than I can chew. help

Thanks for all your responses! Keep em coming!

So yesterday, although I wasn't really motivated I taught myself the 3bt backward weave.
Now when I say backward, I mean my hands are in front of me, I'm just doing it reverse.

I still can't do it behind my back. My other problem is it takes a flailing poi start to get it going, so I really can't use it for transitioning since I don't get into it smoothly enough.

But I'm going to take all of your advice.
Next up on the training roster is learning all my basic moves in reverse and in split time where applicable.

When to I move to behind the back stuff? Honestly my hands have no concept of whats going on back there. I"m like an infant.. behind me just "doesn't exist" since I can't see it Razz

Psychotic Neurotic · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:

dont worry about btb until you can do a lot of combinations and get from one move to practically any other. its not the learning of the moves thats hard about btb, its the co-ordination. After much practice of simple moves it will be easier to learn.

Plus if you start now you'll just get frustrated and angry lol.

Ok AJ.

First off you need to practice 2 parts sperately:

1. Forward weave to backwards weave WITHOUT moving your feet
feel free to pivot a bit, and move your torso as much as you like, but really you wanna get into doing it without twisting too much. Obviously its impossible to do it at this stage without moving at all but it doesnt matter cos it looks better if you follow it through.
Sometimes it better to know 5bw forwards as well, cos i seem to find myself doing it sometimes when i'm doing fw to bw 3bw like this, but it shouldn't be a problem without it.

What you wanna aim for is to start say, on your left side with your left fw3bt (its like talking in l337 haha), but angle it outwards slightly, so when you finish the movement (i.e the entire forwards weave), your hands are crossing in front of you. From there you get into backward, which is done on your right side and finishes in the middle again.
Then just keep going and going.
One thing you will notice is that cos of the angle your poi will go ehind your back on the far left and right of the movement.

2!!!
Can you do bckwards 3bw to windmill yet? cos thats completely necessary. Its a bit tricky to first learn but here we go:

I go into my windmill so when in front of my head, the poi are moving anticlockwise, so this is how i'm gonna explain it. If you end up going clockwise obviously reverse my instructions to the left hand.

So we're doing backwards 3bw, when the poi are on your right, and your RIGHT hand has just made its first (and only) beat on that side, your left hand is coming round for its sencond, however, instead of bringing your right arm to the other side of your body like normal, pull it UPWARDS and to the left, this will make your left hands 2nd beat a lot higher than usual. **

Then your hands will be crossed in front of your face, with your right hand arm on the outside and palm inwards slightly, and your left arm inside palm facing out. (obviously this is all slo-mo, try it with no poi first cos you'll never get trying to incorporate all of this when yopu're actually spinning. I look like an idiot with all these hand movements haha)
from there just bring your hands in a big anticlockwise circle, and when your right hand gets to 12 o clock above your head, direct your poi behind your head, then windmill!

You'll most probably get to the ** bit and your brain will figure it out for itself, i know these many words are horrible, but its more helpful for when the poi arent in your hands and you're just doing the movement.
After the windmill, go back down to your left side and 3bw forwards again.

You dont HAVE to windmill at the top for a fountain, some people are gonna shout at me for doing it, cos at the top your poi can just do a 5bw with your arms high up and then back down to your side, but if you dont know 5bw well thats hard.

YAY

angel · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 16

Woah..that mostly went over my head, but I know it wasn't directed at me. I have been doing 3 bt. fw. weave. and I can go from forward weave to windmill.. at least I think it was forward to windmill.

Do you have to know the windmill in reverse?
Because when I try that I've gotten ball to the eye a few times

ajclarke · Posted: Wed 07th Mar, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject:

Thanks J ... Read and Understood.

I need to learn windmill first then :D3

But my next task is reels Smile

Psychotic Neurotic · Posted: Thu 08th Mar, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject:

you dont need to know windmill in reverse as long as you can get up there from some kinda weave and then come down into the reverse weave you came in from.

I hate reverse windmill. Screws me over.

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